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Old Aug 11, 2005, 02:16 AM // 02:16   #1
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Default ATTN:DEVS:Positive discussion on OP skills, and exploiting

Obviously, the developers of this game want the classes and skillsets to be balanced between the classes but some skills, skill combos and group builds have become overpowered which everyone is starting to see is affecting population gamewide and in tombs.

So with the hopes of the developers changing some of these issues try to offer an imbalanced example and a way to adjust (read:nerf) to better the game balance.

Spirits:
Whilst everything supposedly has it's respective counter, spirits are lacking in that department. EoE (edge of extinction, isnt really that effective, aoe damage is also not that effective aka fire magic) Although they can be beaten; fighting or even playing a spirit spam build is boring for everyone and takes away from the fun and fluidity of the Tombs tourney, resulting in long boring matches that leave everyone cursing like pirates.

nature's renewal: way overpowered, and against the spirit of the game due to the fact that it destroys the use of a whole subset of spells (chants) and therefore forces teams to build around and against it to a degree which degrades creative team building. Firstly need to make it so that it cannot be stacked aka max of one spirit only on the ground.

Frozen soil: perhaps single down at a time as well as shorten timer, shouldnt be a fire and forget skill considering how powerful it is.

another possible fix for spirits in general:add a "maintenence cost" aka 'every 5 seconds costs 3 energy to maintain this spirit or it dies.' therefore would have to pick and choose combos of spirits rather than just spam a large amount of every type. make it closer to online with enchantments, which require maintenence and can be removed.

PVE side:
monk unkillable farm build fix: (reffering to the one where you lower you Hp to 100 and use prot spirit/mending/smiting to be unkillable) make prot spirit based off HP's before rune/death Penalty HP losses
aka:you cannot lose more than 5% of total HP before DP/rune adjustment. that will fix the exploit which is running rampant at the moment and destroying honest sup. monk rune prices.
for those of us not interested in finding the best way to cheat our way to uber riches and gear these types of builds can be quite frustrating to watch succeed with such abandon.

another note: stop punishing honest players for the cheaters' exploits, instead work on targeting cheater/botters/exploiters instead, although i realize this is a complicated problem I would rather have a chance to get myself a gold drop once a day even if cheaters get 5000 a day.

thats a good start, now other opinions.
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15   #2
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My suggestion for some of the more powerful spirits (or possibly all spirits): have them cause exhaustion, or a variant of exhaustion that works on health.

That way casting 1 spirit every once in a while (the way they're meant to be used) won't slow you down, but spamming the things will run you dry.

Also, Nature's Renewal needs to be elite, or only remove one enchantment/hex per creature. (Alternatively, NR could reduce durations of enchantments/hexes by 50%.)
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Old Aug 11, 2005, 04:16 AM // 04:16   #3
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You could add the Frozen Soil suggestion to this thread, it covers most of your suggestions in a more detailed and comprehensive fashion.

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